Barbara Dreaver

Yeah, that's the exact words.

And the danger with it is because it's so horrific, that is what you tend to focus on.

And I've said to my parents, you have to remember, Andrew was in his 30s.

I think he was 35 or something like that.

um you know he had moments of well a lot of moments of joy he had good times in his life he he was a wonderful contributing member of society but he was also just a good person and he laughed and he and you know that tends to get overlooked when when you're dealing with a terrible end

That's exactly right.

And I think when you lose someone...

like in that manner that, and anyone who meets a violent end, I think, like that you've got to try and as time goes on, it becomes a bit easier to remember the good times, the fun, you remember that person laughing and yeah, but it's a terrible thing because we're just loved unto pieces and yeah, and I know he'd be proud.

He would be so proud.

Oh my gosh.

I don't know.

I think it's just I don't – I go straight to them.

Like, I don't mess around.

I don't – well, there's the words that you don't say, and I learned this because people were saying it.

You know, you get people who might say, oh, he's gone to somewhere better.

Yeah, or silly boy was one I got, and I came close to – Smashing them?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's things like that.

You don't, I would just, you know, go straight to them.