Barbara Dreaver

And so I did a lot on that over the years, a lot.

Worked with a couple of the local journalists as well.

And that one in the end, the FBI stepped in and arrested everyone involved.

But I remember just holding this little boy's hand.

So we went to the nanny house and filmed there, managed to talk our way into the garden.

And I was holding this little boy's hand in my hand.

And I just remember getting really teary because...

i don't know where he's going and that was the point is you don't know where these children are going to end up some of them are good parents some are not so good um and then there were victims too in america the parents who were adopting their children for these children forever and finding out so yeah it was a trade there were no winners in this one and it broke my heart like it really did

Yeah, I was.

I wasn't, because quite often I can be brave, but quite often I don't feel brave, right?

And so that's what I muttered to myself, okay, be brave, be brave.

But yes, I was hoping, I mean, I think people do need to be brave.

And when I'm asked by young journalists, what do we need to be a good journalist?

And I say that, be brave.

But I've said that to students, you have to be brave.

And it's easier said than done.

It's actually one of the hardest things to do is to find it deep down inside yourself, especially when, and you've got to know why.

You've got to have a why.

And my why is getting to the truth of it and making sure the public get the information that they need.

And it's often information that politicians or politicians