Barry Ward

So, for example... I mean, at a European level, if we try to... At a European level, I don't think so, no.

And I actually think you've seen a huge change in opinion at governmental level in the European Union in the last year even.

So, from the time that we recognised the state of Palestine...

From the time at the very start of this, when Leo Varadkar was the first Western leader to call out the Israeli actions, you now see a coalition beginning to build, not just Spain and Slovenia, but Belgium, Malta, the Netherlands, other countries coming behind us as well.

So we need to build a critical mass of them within the Commission.

And as Richard says, these, yes, sorry, can you hear me?

Yes, we can now, yeah.

Yeah, we can hear you now, yeah.

What Richard is talking about is essentially we obviously are, within our economy, we have an enormous amount of information technology and software developers where they develop a product here and they wish to export it.

They have to get an export license from the Department of Enterprise.

So the reference that Richard is making there is to such an export license being granted to the Israeli Defense Forces.

Now, I've spoken to Peter Burke and Helen McEntee about this

And when that application is made, the Department of Enterprise embarks on an exhaustive look at where that's going, who the end user is, what it's going to be used for.

And they must satisfy themselves, for example, that it's not going to be used in the context of the genocide that Richard is saying.

And Richard is making a little bit of belief to say that it's in connection with military activity.

Yes, but not for military purposes.

But what I was going to say was I'm not happy about... Come on, Barry.

Hang on, Richard.

Richard, yeah.

I accept the criticism.