Barry Weiss
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard Mar 2025
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But what made you change your mind fundamentally about integrating your company's technology with into even a defensive weaponry system.
A year and a half ago when we were talking, part of our conversation was where the AI arms race with China was. I think now it's like well and definitively clear that we are very much in that arms race with China. And I think even people who worry about the power of AI in this country feel like, well, if it's a choice between us and China— It's got to be us. We got to win.
Spell out for us, Sam, in your mind, because I'm sure you're thinking about this all the time, like what it looks like if China wins the AI arms race. Like what happens to America? What happens to the world?
And do you think the possibility of that happening is a real one? Them winning?
How do we know if they are winning given how much they lie and also steal stuff from us?
President Trump talks a lot about, you know, peace through strength. Is the Sam Altman OpenAI version of peace through strength, we have to crush, get ahead and win on AI so it's not even a question that China could do whatever it wants?
Meaning if there's an arms race, we want to win, but we don't want the arms race, period.
You mean collaborate with our enemies?
Are we doing that right now? With China on AI? Like, you know more than I do.
If Trump called you tomorrow and said, hey, Sam, I want to make you AI regulation chief. You can do whatever you want in this position. What's the first thing that you would do? What's the most important thing that the person in that position would do?
Bias and censorship in AI is an enormous topic and one that we think a lot about here at the Free Press. And, you know, the most obvious example of this, the one that trended for days and everyone was laughing at, was when Gemini generated those images of, like, a black George Washington and, like, a trans Nazi, and it was hilarious. Yeah.
In a way, it was really serious because it felt like only the most sort of like exaggerated, hyperbolic, obvious example of a much, much deeper endemic problem, which is the bias that is baked into these technologies, both because of the people programming those technologies and because of the information that they're sort of scraping online.
Talk to us about how you're thinking about it at ChatGPT because obviously the system that is closest to reality, it seems to me, will win in the end of the day. If a ChatGPT is giving me images of, you know, is telling me George Washington was trans, I'm like, I'm not going to rely on this. We don't do that. Okay, fine. But you understand my point.
How do you think about the problem of bias and how are you solving for it?
Is it possible to build a thing like ChatGPT or any other technology in this lane that we can't even conceive of yet that doesn't have a political point of view? Isn't that inevitable?
Do you believe that AI or chat GPT has a responsibility to fight pernicious ideas? Let me give you an example of what I mean. If you knew that by... putting your thumb on the scale and in the teeniest, tiniest way, you might be able to usher in a world where there's less racism, less anti-Semitism, less misogyny. And maybe it would even be invisible to people because they wouldn't know.
At a certain point, as we've just talked about, this is going to be, I don't know if this was Mark or somebody else, the control layer of all of our information.
How do you think about that?
Sam, you've donated a million dollars to Trump's inauguration, and it turned some heads because in the past you've called him a racist, a misogynist, and a conspiracy theorist, among other things.
You've been a prolific donor to Democratic candidates and causes over the years, but now you say that Trump is going to lead us into the age of AI, and you're eager to support his efforts to ensure America stays ahead. Is this a change of heart, a political evolution, a vibe shift inside of you? What's going on?
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