Bart Butler
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first heard Jul 2026
last heard 16 Jul
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We hire relatively slow.
I wish we could hire faster.
I think hiring is one of the things that we could be better at.
But we don't do these massive hires, massive layoffs, things like this, and we don't hire so fast that we dilute the culture.
We want to integrate people into the Proton culture, not necessarily... And yes, sometimes we have to change it, sometimes we have to evolve it, but we want that to be done in a deliberate way.
I think...
Yeah, I also had a maybe a similar evolution.
I've been there through most of all of Proton's growth phases.
So, you know, early on, I wrote a lot of code, then I was, you know, effectively a team lead, then I was a manager of managers, at some point, I was running all of Proton's
engineering, then I was more, you know, handed off some of the management things, but, you know, kept the sort of CTO technical direction stuff.
And in that course, definitely made a lot of mistakes, mistakes too, right?
Early on, it was a, I had to, you know,
teach myself not to make other people like me, not to, maybe not micromanage, but not to tell, not to just tell people what to do and have them execute it.
And then I went through a phase later where I let people, you know, okay, people need to learn, people need to
make their own mistakes people need you know i want to import people with expertise so i i i'm not infallible let's let's let's do this and that was probably too permissive and it caused you know we had some nothing catastrophic but we had some expensive mistakes that i had a bad feeling about but i let go through anyway because you know that's the worst
because i was trying to do this and so i think you know moderation doesn't tend to be the sexiest thing to sell but it is it's a balance you know you don't want to
mandate how things are done but you also want to make sure that you're there to stop people from doing like truly catastrophic or expensive decisions that you you can see the brick wall in the you know in the distance and you want to make sure that doesn't happen it's not the most dramatic answer but a lot of this is finding the right balance there and it's a certain amount of moderation
anywhere is going to have a jurisdiction and be subject to jurisdiction.
There is no country, there's no company or an individual which is above the law, right?
And nobody, you know,
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