Bart Butler
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first heard Jul 2026
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No company is going to go to jail for you, right?
That said, you can arrange structures such that there are safeguards here.
And our safeguard, for instance, is that we are a Swiss company.
And we've actually been asked repeatedly, hey, can you just respond to requests from friendly government agencies?
And we have repeatedly said no.
no because it can't be our job to decide what is legitimate and what is not that is not something that we can take on right so what we do is we um we engineer our products to have
within constraints like making a product that people want to use and can use and do the job.
But we engineer our products to be as private as possible.
And we are subject to Swiss jurisdiction.
mutual legal assistant treaty request, MLAT request come in from governments, the Swiss authorities decide what is legitimate, what is not, we have no stake in that, and then they issue an order, and we comply with those orders.
And that's the way it has to be.
And we very deliberately chose our jurisdiction in a way that, you know, the Swiss are famously neutral, and they also, you know, have a certain
Look, every government is made up of humans, but they have a reputation for being reasonable people.
And as a result, and that system has worked pretty well.
In general, there are countries that are less trustworthy than others.
And those requests, we don't have a lot of visibility into where the requests are coming from.
But those requests we have on good authority are usually not honored.
Whereas, you know,
people's opinions may vary these days, but the FBI requests, they tend to be given a certain presumption, a presumption of legitimacy, but they're still evaluated by the Swiss authorities.
And then what we do is we comply.
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