Bella Freud

What, with her hand above her head?

Oh, yes.

Yeah.

Well, I remember you doing that in Hideous Man, our short film, where you did this kind of, the small dying bird was having a kind of death throes and you did these kind of amazing movements with your hands and arms and your head.

And it was brilliant.

And you say, I wasn't acting or putting on a persona.

It's just part of me that I let loose.

And is that always there or does it sort of come out and ambush you?

And your first song, Fuck the Pain Away, was a huge hit.

I wondered, what were you talking about at the time?

What pain did you... Was there pain that you wanted to... Huge breakup.

fuck the pain away you know it's the most fantastic song i mean i live i always listen to it's on my in in the shower i have teachers of peaches playlist and it starts with that and it's it's so witty as well and it's urgent it has a sense of urgency much more than a aggression and

There's that line, something about my Chrissie behind, and I only understood what that was about recently, and it's Chrissie Hind, who has a great behind.

Yeah, I think... She has an amazing figure, but I... Yeah.

And there's that picture of her in the Vivienne Westwood shop sex.

Ugh.

Was that what you were with her in a pair of knickers looking over her shoulder?

Yeah, I was looking at, when I was looking around at what,

all the videos about that song, I found there was one with Miss Piggy singing Fuck the Pain Away, and she even did some of your moves writhing around on the floor in a silver outfit.

How did that happen?