Bella Freud

Yes.

I remember John saying it was the poems before he became really successful in a TV show.

And he sent John this cassette tape of all these poems.

And they were really bizarre and worked brilliantly, incredibly well.

Yeah, I remember what you were wearing, these mini, these tiny little shorts as well with knitted shorts, stripy.

And I've always felt like you embodied a kind of sense of good luck and optimism and

everything that's good in the world.

And you do, actually.

Well, thank you.

You always do.

And your parents seem to have a very happy marriage and they seem to adore each other.

And it defies that Philip Larkin thing.

Yeah.

I suppose I asked about whether it was claustrophobic, their love for each other, because sometimes I've read about, read stories where this kind of intense love between the parents excludes the children and they don't really get a look in because the parents are so obsessed with each other or one of them is, but it sounds like

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In conversation with the artist and musician Laurie Anderson.

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