Bella Freud

I wondered whether you felt pressurized by that or whether you liked her doing it because she recognized your intelligence and your brilliance.

And I mean, you've got six A levels.

I've never heard of anyone with six A levels.

Yeah I think the fashion at the moment is less of that apparently but I suppose it shows people someone's interested in you and I think that's a very encouraging thing as a child even if it is does require a kind of application to discipline.

I find that is the most useful thing I've ever learned in my life and

I learned about it from watching rather than having that kind of focus of interest.

So I can, I relate to what you're saying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, you said something like application plus talent.

Something else equals excellence or I think... Opportunity, no, preparation plus opportunity equals success.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's so important, I think, you know, some of reality TV, it felt like if you sit on the sofa long enough and watch these people, you'll suddenly be on TV, but there's no...

There wasn't much kind of explanation of how the making of something and the physical application, whatever it is, whether it's writing or dancing, you know, that is what makes music.

your whole being kind of start pursuing your idea.

It sounds great.

It must be fun being in your tour band.

It's so easy to notice where you resist, especially with love, I find, rather than go forward.

And there's so many.