Bella Freud

I'm practicing that now.

So.

Yeah.

um also they're great kind of in like my father never really told me anything about how to live my life and i just watched how he lived his but i he did teach me how to make a a good lapsang souchong and it was very much to do with you know if the water wasn't literally boiling as it came out of the kettle into the pot he would he would

he'd say, no, no, no, it has to be boiling.

And he wasn't a fussy person.

He just liked to have good things, you know.

And I loved that.

It made me feel good at something and useful and also planted that thing of there is something about technique that is your kind of architecture that you can build from.

That must be so exciting.

Because you cited polystyrene from X-ray specs as a style icon.

And when I was a teenager, I worked in seditionaries and she used to come in and hang out.

And she was such a nice person and I saw her play and she was amazing.

She was a very... You know, it's funny, these people who were these young kids being, you know, recognised now by people like you, and she was very sympathetic and likeable and...

you know, she was dressed in a slightly messy way and all these turbans and stuff.

And she was funny.

And there was something heartbreaking in there as well that made her so sort of lovable.

And, uh, she was, she was great.

I mean, we were all teenagers then.

So you're more kind of cavalier about everything, but, um,