Bella Freud

And did you see her, where did you see her for the first time?

And was Vogue in your home or did you go and look at it in a shop?

I looked at the shop.

Yeah.

It's odd, isn't it?

Because I've found that the more beautiful a woman is, the more insecure she tends to be about her beauty.

And some of...

I've always liked to be friends with the prettiest girl in the class.

So I always had that kind of, I was always sort of struck by that thing that you described that she must be so happy and finding how, what a double-edged sword it was to be that beautiful, that it seemed to be something that,

It didn't bring the security that I expected that it should bring.

There seems to be something about the group of you models who were so successful in the 90s that that just hasn't changed.

Well, certainly from the

Your audience is still fascinated and there's all these new young people who are completely intrigued and obsessed with this group of you incredibly gifted and talented models who...

have such everyone is so interesting and it's your personality that also is part of your look so that's not going anywhere that's just increasing with every passing year and it's so that's true and i mean what i learned is um early on his personality is

Did you do a shoot with him and did you work with his team?

Was it Garen?

Garen.

Garen.

Garen.

Oh, he was incredible, the hairdresser.