Bella Freud

Wow.

Because I remember meeting you for the first time, I think it was 1992 at Sao Schlumberger's house in Paris.

And you were hanging out with Sandra Bernhard and you looked a bit like her pretty younger sister.

And she was sort of bossing you around.

I just remember her noticing you and her.

And I wondered, did that happen a lot that people...

impose their ideas of how they want you to be or how they want you to act?

Who?

Whose house?

Do you remember?

She was a Brazilian heiress, I think.

She was quite old and her house had been done up and it looked like it had been interior designed by Salvador Dali.

And it was one of those fashion parties, gatherings, and Andre Leontali was there and...

It was the most incredible night, and I hardly ever went to anything like that.

So I remember the detail.

I remember what I was wearing because I'd just started.

Because she seemed like she's probably quite good at bossing people around anyway.

Yeah, I guess, yeah.

And do you remember what the first piece of clothing you became obsessed with as a child?

Yeah.