Bella Freud

Yeah.

And how did you manage the transition from girl to woman?

Was that something you tried to control?

No.

Did your mother...

acknowledge you or say you look pretty or... No.

Yeah.

Because, I mean, you know, I've looked at all your photographs going back and you were so pretty and you still are.

But there's something in not being told it by someone, well, especially not being told it by your mother that...

makes it seem like it can't possibly be true even though you had the evidence again and again being booked and booked and being on the covers of magazines and yeah being you know an enduring figure in the fashion world and i think it's real hard it's hard to um believe in it when that person

doesn't say it to you.

You know, the sort of relaxed confidence of that kind of love between a mother and a daughter doesn't sort of... Are you going to make me cry?

I don't know.

It's hard to believe it's not true, isn't it?

Even though you know...

Well, I don't believe it's not true.

Yeah.

Because you've talked about your school years as being, you were a grade A student, but you've also talked about having no friends.

And you said, I forgot everyone's name.

That's how bad my childhood was.