Bella Freud

You said, I blocked it out.

Yeah.

Did anyone notice you were going through that?

You were talking about, I was asking you, did anyone notice what you were going through at school?

that's terrible because you took you talked about this you know feeling insecure and how but knowing you're a good model and how does that help you to be a good model because you would think it would would be contraintuitive but actually it's something I've noticed in other great models too what's your resource that

it's kind of sad.

It's great because you're so good at it, you know, and it's, you know, the things, the photographs, the pictures that you've done.

And I was, I was watching the film you made with Karl Lagerfeld in 2011 called

Tale of a fairy with you and Amanda Harlick and Freya Bayer.

And these scenes, and it's, you know, all scripted and scenes of you lying in bed smoking and then somebody massaging your feet and then you freak out at this big party and...

It was quite a strange film, though.

What do you think Karl Lagerfeld was, what point was he making?

Because it wasn't about, it wasn't female empowerment either.

It was strange.

It was actually quite good and better than a lot of fashion films.

I mean, there was a kind of...

weird plot and and you were so good and amanda was brilliant and all the freedom and the kind of emancipation was attributed to these young guys who actually weren't very good actors in the film and all of you women were fantastic and uh but it you know it

I liked it.

I mean, I'm picking holes in it just because there was quite a lot to think about and sort of reminiscent of a, like you said, an idea about a life that actually seems very dated or like more 1920s with everyone having breakdowns and becoming morphine addicts.

That was very clear.