Bella Freud

And also there's something about the safety pins, the safety and the pin.

And they both seem to, massive attacks seem to do that.

They puncture, you know, delusion and then they hold things together in terms of, well, for me, this is how I recognize them as like the holder together of integrity and, you know, reality.

Yeah.

I like their backdrops, too.

They have these backdrops created by Adam Curtis, you know, the filmmaker, editor.

When I saw them...

I saw them, I can't remember if it was in Bristol, I think it was last summer or the summer before, and they had one that said, give me some good news, which I wrote down.

Do you have a notebook that you use?

Oh yes, I do.

Yeah, I do.

I do that too.

I have millions of lists and I love them.

Hmm.

And you're a singer and songwriter and you won the Mercury and a Brit when you were 21.

And you've been recognized right from the start of your output.

And how's your relationship with success?

And is it relaxing or is it nerve wracking?

start something, you kind of presume it will be successful until there's some kind of interrupt, you know, something happens or something doesn't.

I mean, I'm only speaking for myself.