Bella Freud

it's very, I mean, obviously it's gratifying, but it kind of generates more sort of energy for more success, I think.

When something goes well,

it makes things go well.

Yeah, that's true.

The confidence is a really...

helpful thing to have I mean I know it's obvious but you don't notice it till you have it I think and realize I find decision making gets more succinct it it's there's less I mean I'm have been the queen of self-doubt for a lot of my life so when I notice I'm quick to a decision I I'm quite quite stimulated by that

There's a line from your new album Ambiguous Desire that says I kind of wish I wasn't me and I wondered why does that feel tempting and is there someone you've imagined being?

Yeah.

I suppose it's magic realism, isn't it?

Thinking if I was them, and I've done that definitely.

There's a few people I think, if I was them...

I'd be able to handle this.

Because you seem to have a confidence about your identity from the word go.

And what was the first garment that changed the way you felt about yourself?

It's a real link.

It's a clue, isn't it?

Exactly.

And you grew up in Hammersmith in London, and you're half Nigerian, a quarter Chadian, and a quarter French.

And you've said no one else in your family is remotely creative.

And I wondered where your love of reading comes from, because you cite so many different literary references.