Bella Freud

Yeah, it's interesting.

Moby Dick, for some reason, is a book that surfaces in every writer's repertoire from when it was first written to now.

It's the sort of linchpin.

I must reread, I read it sort of 100 years ago, but it keeps coming up.

And I can't even remember what it's about, except for it has some sort of

Because it sort of has a soundtrack that goes with it, doesn't it?

As soon as you say the word Moby Dick, you can hear the sound of that kind of haunting sound of whales and the pathos of a whale and the huge history.

And like that, it does feel mythological.

I love mythology too.

Yes, I agree with you.

Well, I've seen, when I was kind of 10-ish, I...

they seem like a sim again i was looking for these these kind of places of um power of good values of truth of daring and not just in the greek warriors but some something about a whale had this um

this atmosphere about it that as a child, I clung onto and thought, yes, I, you know, I'm going to be with the whale and I'll be saved.

oh my gosh that seems like a good sign I think so yeah being comfortable with being small I guess in a way you're right yeah and as a kid did you had a have a code way of dressing did you did you dress to stand out or blend in

Yeah, because you said, I feel this need for forward motion all the time.

And I know that feeling very well.

And is it a fear driven thing or restlessness?

And I wondered if you remember the first time you were conscious of this and how you dealt with it.

So it's not a fear.

It's not a kind of anxious, like I have to move.