Bella Freud

What is it that...

stops you for a bit.

Do you remember that?

Definitely.

And do you find there are certain clothes that make you feel better when you're feeling low?

Definitely.

There's something about just that act of putting them on as well that's like, I'm not, I'm just not going to be a blob.

It's a very 70s town blob, but it does the job.

Because you've been dressed by some of the world's greatest designers, including Tom Brown and Simone Rocha and Gucci.

And which designer do you think really gets you?

Yeah.

She's such a cool designer.

And I remember one of her very first shows and

just thinking this is someone with so much scope and so confident in a certain way and confident to be, you know, to have these ruffles and pearls and stuff and also have these bovver boots and like punk sort of tenseness to it too.

I love that about her work.

Yeah, it's such a kind of... If I think back, I've got a lot to think back on, but there's only one or two people whose clothing has been such an alarm signal of, don't go there, which I overrode, and the clothes were so bad.

But in the end, clothes are fine.

It's the kind of...

you know might be something to pay attention to yeah sure yeah underneath no i i'm always so interested um and you've also um described the importance of taking rigorous exercise and i wondered what happens to your sense of self-regulation if you miss a day

Yeah.