Ben Affleck

But that actually runs counter, in my view, to what history seems to show, which is, A, adoption is slow.

It's incremental.

I think a lot of that rhetoric comes from people who are trying to justify valuations around companies where they go, we're going to change everything.

In two years, there's going to be no more work.

Well, the reason they're saying that is because they need to ascribe a valuation for investment that can warrant the capex spend they're going to make on these data centers with the argument that like, oh, you know, as soon as we do the next model, it's going to scale up and be three times as good.

Except that actually ChatGPT-5, about 25% better than ChatGPT-4 and costs about four times as much in the way of electricity and data.

So those nice things, it's like plateauing.

The early AI...

The line went up very steeply and it's now sort of leveling off.

I think it's because, and yes, it'll get better, but it's going to be really expensive to get better.

And a lot of people were like, fuck this.

We want you at GPT-4 because it turned out like the vast majority of people who use AI are using it to like, as like companion bots to chat with at night.

And so there's no work, there's no productivity, there's no value to it.

Has he been watching Breaking Points?

But then you look at our lessons, it didn't do any of that.

And it's fucking great.

You know what I mean?

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day that's wild i went in because i came in from miami i think i was living at the time and i went in and uh and uh

I'm sitting in the waiting room and it was like on a Sunday because I was like, I'm only in town for you.

And Stan was like, I'll come into the office.