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Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

1/20/26: ADL Crackdown, Shapiro Vs Kamala, Shawn Ryan Rips Trump, Ben Affleck Shreds AI

20 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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4.777 - 21.941 Dr. Jesse Mills

This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom Podcast. Each January, men promise to get stronger, work harder, and fix what's broken. But what if the real work isn't physical at all? I sat down with psychologist, Dr. Steve Poulter, to unpack shame, anxiety, and the emotional pain men were never taught how to name.

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21.961 - 39.474 Dr. Jesse Mills

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39.955 - 59.947 Dr. Jesse Mills

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60.307 - 67.838 Dr. Jesse Mills

Kick off the year with confidence. Listen to How to Money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

67.818 - 69.32 Krystal Ball

Hey guys, Sagar and Crystal here.

69.521 - 76.551 Saagar Enjeti

Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, and we are so excited about what that means for the future of this show.

76.692 - 82.4 Krystal Ball

This is the only place where you can find honest perspectives from the left and the right that simply does not exist anywhere else.

82.52 - 93.437 Saagar Enjeti

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Chapter 2: How does the podcast reflect on the impact of independent media?

314.599 - 317.483 Krystal Ball

Zero no, it was you? I'm not going to answer whether that's me or not.

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317.864 - 332.349 Dr. Jesse Mills

Okay. The concerning part, And not concerning for the person who's posting it, when we're just trying to prevent somebody else getting agitated or agreeing with the statement, we're not saying it's true or not.

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332.709 - 333.17 Ro Khanna

Understood.

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333.89 - 350.106 Dr. Jesse Mills

That guy who consistently calls for the death of all Palestinians, that can probably incite somebody to do something radical. That's all we're here to talk about. And we wanted to get your side, if it was you that posted that, to, I would think, to refrain from posting things like that because that could get something

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350.845 - 361.731 Ro Khanna

I appreciate your concern. I appreciate you coming out here. Okay. That's it? That is it. I'm going to maintain my amendment rights to not answer the question about whether or not that's right.

362.112 - 363.275 Dr. Jesse Mills

Thank you for your time.

363.295 - 363.756 Krystal Ball

We appreciate it.

363.776 - 366.643 Dr. Jesse Mills

Thank you as well. You as well. Thank you. Take care.

367.079 - 369.222 Krystal Ball

Shout out to this lady. She handled that exactly correct.

Chapter 3: What is the ADL's stance on AI and anti-Semitism?

397.84 - 402.429 Saagar Enjeti

I mean, there's no even implied threat. Nothing. It's just a post.

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402.449 - 426.538 Krystal Ball

And I just made a whole diatribe about liberal protest culture and all that. However, what I do accept is we do need to live together in some respect. And yes, even cringe posting on the internet... in any respect, is deeply accepted, especially whenever it is about a mayor. I mean, it's just so insane because this, and this, you know, I just talked about the normalization of crazy norms.

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427.018 - 428.181 Krystal Ball

This is the part of the issue.

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Chapter 4: What implications does the ADL's AI monitoring have for free speech?

428.541 - 453.145 Krystal Ball

We are watching the normalization just rapidly getting stepped up here. We can all debate on when it all started. but especially whenever it comes to politically sensitive speech targeted at public officials. And by breaking open that, you have created an environment here where, I mean, even being visited by a police officer is the definition of chilling whenever it comes to

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453.125 - 471.977 Krystal Ball

There's no getting around it, like period, end of story. This is a local matter where as a citizen you have every right to be able to criticize your public officials. And this is the fundamental problem is that with AI and you have like let's say corporate censorship, legal let's say harassment, let's probably call it that.

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471.957 - 489.291 Krystal Ball

on top of multiple locality, state, and now federal, whenever it comes to the Trump administration and the DOJ, well, this becomes like a full-on entity. I just spent all this time criticizing BLM, which I believe embodied that for multiple times during the Biden years and under Democratic presidencies.

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489.271 - 504.58 Krystal Ball

Well, I think this has now effectively happened with the so-called anti-Semitism industrial complex, where the DOJ, the ADL, and these mayors, local cops, and lawyers all together are creating the exact same effect here. And that's really dangerous.

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504.745 - 529.213 Saagar Enjeti

And once you accept it for—so the way they started was with pro-Palestinian protesters who were immigrants. You had Mahmoud Khalil, who was a green card holder, but he was the first high-profile one that they went after. And they felt like the combination of pro-Palestine speech plus immigrant status was like the lowest hanging fruit. Yeah. And they've expanded out from there.

529.674 - 551.432 Saagar Enjeti

So it doesn't stay with pro-Palestinian speech. And that's why, you know, this memo that Ken Klipstein has reported on that classifies anyone who is anti-capitalist, anti-Christian protest that they're all considered domestic terrorists. What is to stop, you know, them from coming to your door if you just post something crazy? critical anti-capitalist about the administration.

551.933 - 572.907 Saagar Enjeti

That is the predicate that's being set. To your point, though, I mean, this is the way the federal government has focused on this. Pam Bondi spoke at this Israeli-American council, proudly telling the story of how she got involved in this school matter at Florida State, where I don't know if you guys remember this. I think we played it and talked about it on the show. The school, the school.

572.887 - 592.168 Saagar Enjeti

The show, there we go. There was a guy who had an IDF t-shirt on in the gym. There was a lady who came up to him. I think she did, you know, put her hand on him, but they made it like, oh my God, he was assaulted, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the federal government got involved in this fricking thing. And now Pam Bondi is out lying about the incident and bragging about it.

592.188 - 593.19 Saagar Enjeti

Let's take a listen to that.

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