Ben Eifert

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517 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Feb 2025 last heard Feb 2025

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And everybody was really confused because they're like, none of these people are derivatives.
Well, Jeff Yass is a derivatives trade, but every all these other guys are, what are you talking about?
Warren Buffett.
But yeah, Bill Gross uh has traded more um derivatives notional than the GDP of the world.
They're you know massive traders of things like futures, as you point out in fixed income.
Also, Bill Gross um and Pimco was by far the biggest uh option seller in the fixed income.
Income complex for many, many years with tens of billions of dollars of of P and L.
Yeah.
People don't really think about this, right?
They think, Oh, it's kind of boring bond stuff.
Um, but no, there's massive involvement of, you know, big sophisticated institutions in, you know, all of these spaces.
So like retail investors aren't involved in fixed income volatility because they don't really have an instrument to do that.
I mean, they could trade like treasury futures options, but that's kind of like a weird funky thing.
They don't you don't really have listed options that people can sell as easily.
But
you know, big institutions have been involved in this stuff for a very long time.
Absolutely.
They made a VIX for fixed income called Move, M O V.
Oh yeah.
Oh
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