Ben Harnwell

Bye, Caroline.

Friday 30th of January and Nodomini 2026.

Ben Harnwell here at the helm joining you as usual on a Friday evening to break down in a little more detail some of the things that we get to discuss, especially on Get Up during the week.

And one of the great things I enjoy doing on the show is bringing back guests personally.

Back by popular demand.

And that's what we're going to be doing today.

We've got Professor David Betts, who is a professor of war in the modern world at King's College London.

You might remember, folks, he was back on before Christmas, the show, discussing his particular thesis, which has had a huge deal of resonance, especially in the UK, that we're heading towards civil war.

All the signs are there.

And as an expert...

in war in the modern world.

He's certainly someone who knows what those science would be.

And he's had a couple of articles as well in the peer-reviewed journal Military Strategy magazine, which we'll be distributing out on social media.

Professor Betts, thanks for coming back on the show.

Now, you said recently that you think in the UK we might be seeing something

Like Belfast during the troubles, the situation for our American audience, the historic troubles between Protestants and Catholics, the sectarian problems there, which were horrific, not only for Northern Ireland, the Irish Republic, and also for the UK.

and violence I think that most people will be familiar with, even if they're not particular au fait with the granular details of what happened in the 60s and 70s, 80s in the UK.

And you've also said that we could be potentially seeing a situation, now this would be more familiar to an American audience, Baghdad.

around 2008 or 2010 and you've suggested that largely urban areas will be seeing people essentially fortifying their neighbourhood for protection.

Those are very provocative and interesting statements and I very much agree with them, but it's unusual to hear, to see a British academic suggesting these things out loud.