Ben Horowitz
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first heard Dec 2024
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Yeah, I actually agree with Aaron.
And I think that's right.
Like from a legal standpoint, there is the outputs of AI models are not copyright and they don't fall under copyright law.
So the only thing it could be is a terms of service violation.
But look, I think generally that's right.
You know, Anthropic just paid $1.5 billion for stealing everybody's books, including mine, by the way.
They trained on MacBook and I joined that class action lawsuit.
So, you know, not to say, look, I'm for training them out, building a statistical model of the things we know.
I think that's generally good for the world and so forth as long as you don't violate the copyright and reproduce the original work.
And I think the same, yeah, like I think distillation is generally good for the world.
I also think they're going to have a very hard time stopping it for many reasons.
Yeah, they have theories on how they're going to stop it, but I'm not sure that those are going to succeed, so we'll see.
But yeah, I think distillation is good and like the whole idea that we're stealing things
American stuff.
By the way, the data companies are all out selling to everybody, you know, including the Chinese companies that are building these things.
So, you know, I don't know how much you can contain all this stuff anyway.
Well, because I think that all the American labs have kind of built their businesses on proprietary models.
And there's a lot kind of that becomes and they have to to kind of afford the GPUs.
You know, they need these very high valuations to keep ahead on the GPUs to keep going.
And, you know, because they're in the lead, you know, distillation doesn't work for them because their model is on the cutting edge.
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