Ben Meiselas (host)

And then Donald Trump brought in Joe Rogan while the war against Iran was absolutely raging.

Remember that weird Joe Rogan press conference that happened over the weekend?

Yeah, or that weekend during the war?

Macari was involved in that.

So then Donald Trump posts, I want to thank Dr. Marty Macari for having done a great job at the FBI.

So much was accomplished under his leadership.

He was a hard worker who was respected by all and will go on to have an outstanding career.

Let's talk about his resignation one more time.

As Frank Lutz, a right-wing commentator and pollster says, and he's quoting a New York Times article, Macari left over concerns about the FDA's decision to authorize fruit-flavored vapes.

He told those close to him that he cannot in good conscience approve flavored vapes due to their appeal to young people.

And Donald Trump wanted those flavored vapes approved.

There were mango flavors and cherry flavors and lemon lime flavors that Donald Trump said

You've got to approve.

Now, let's go bring out some additional receipts.

Back in April of 2026, Macari appeared on C-SPAN where they asked him, so how often on a weekly basis are you interacting with Donald Trump?

Here's what he said right here.

Play this clip.

How often on a weekly basis are you interacting with President Trump?

How interested is he in the day-to-day operations at the FDA?

And then Donald Trump was asked yesterday, did you ask Macari to resign or did you fire him?