Ben Rhodes

It's mostly going to Europe and Asia.

Um, and when, if that doesn't work for them, they'll turn to other crimes.

I mean, that's, they're a business, uh, and they will adjust.

And that means that we have to be ready for that kind of adjustment.

Maybe they turned more to fraud, uh, uh, and, or, I mean, crypto has been a godsend for organized crime.

Crypto has made it so much cheaper for them to handle the cash into the business, so much easier for them to integrate their, and to launder their cash.

Um, that has also changed the equation significantly.

Yeah.

What if we just don't rank each other?

That's right.

Oh, promotion.

No, that's okay.

Thank you.

All right.

Well, look, let's set aside for one second the who's at fault conversation, which is normally where we start a conversation about Cuba.

And let's talk about what's actually happening to people right now.

I mean, the fuel shortages have kicked in.

You're seeing a lot less activity in the streets.

When you talk to people who are in Havana now or just come back from Havana and visited, they say that people are waiting for something big to happen and the streets are calm.

But there is a sense of...