Ben Rhodes

you know, that something momentous is kind of afoot.

The way it's being felt right now is in massive poverty.

It's something like 89% of the population is in extreme poverty in Cuba now, which is historically high levels.

There's much more food insecurity.

I mean, there's just a lot more malnutrition, a lot more insecurity.

The difference between now and when Ben and I were involved is the level of resentment that

is sky high.

There's very little hope.

Everything that has been, you know, every potential opening has been snuffed out on the government side.

And then in the first Trump administration, with the help of the Trump administration.

So all the tools that people had for making their lives a little bit better under these extreme conditions have been shut off one after another, which is why 2 million people left after the COVID epidemic.

Everything.

It's everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They will prioritize, I think, the healthcare and so forth.

But look, these are tiny stopgap measures.

So to your other question, when do we get to that magical point where the population has had enough and there's this uprising and the outbreak of democracy?

Well,

I guess we're going to find out because if we kind of keep going forward with this, then we potentially get to a situation where the economy is fully broken down and there's no economic activity taking place.