Ben Symes

But, Gareth, last Friday night, the 2-2 draw against Waterford.

This feels like it's symptomatic of Tiernan Lynch's Derry that we've seen so far this season to not get a win in these games, get it over the line.

Were they valued for the draw?

I know it was the last gaps draw in the end.

the last win for Derry was of course that first game at Celtic Park against Shamrock Rovers and I was up there and I think anyone who was up there will agree with you the pitch isn't exactly in a pristine condition as we've seen just the last couple of results one bomb with Bohemians go on yeah

Yeah, I was literally going to ask you the same question, Gareth.

Like, how do you manage to get yourself up for the first game of South Park?

It's pretty easy how you could manage to get yourself up for it.

I mean, we were there.

The atmosphere was unlike nearly anything you've ever seen in the League of Ireland.

But how do you manage to get yourself up for that?

And you can't for any other game that you're involved in since.

Yeah, I think it's probably evident, I think, for fans watching as well.

I think that it's a pretty, it's a stark contrast when you go up against, look, I know Shamrock Rovers weren't great in that game, but you can tell exactly every time you watch Shamrock Rovers what style is.

We were at Dundalk on Friday night and you can tell from minute one, this is exactly the identity of the team.

They're going to press you, they're going to be on the front foot.

and they actually it's interesting as well Dundalk changed their formation on Friday night completely changed the system and new players playing where they've never played before but everyone was still bought into that identity of high work weight high press and not letting the other team get a sniff on the ball I tell you it's hard to argue with you there Gareth that Derry don't have that at the moment the bad news is that they're going up against St.

Pat's team who are going to be itching to get back after the loss of Shelbourne last week

Vinny, on that game, I was just going to ask, on that game last week, is that the type of game where Pats can't get that win over the line when Rovers drop points?

Is that a sign that maybe, you know, how good are Pats to mount a title challenge to Rovers this season?