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Benjamin Zeller

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450 total appearances

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American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

And they connected to that interpretation, that the UFOs were not just technological visitors, but rather that the beings on board the UFOs were here to teach us something. In the case of Heaven's Gate, they came to see themselves as from outer space and wanted to go back to outer space. But the UFO idea was always really quite central. So the UFOs are their heaven's gate, is the gate to heaven.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

And they connected to that interpretation, that the UFOs were not just technological visitors, but rather that the beings on board the UFOs were here to teach us something. In the case of Heaven's Gate, they came to see themselves as from outer space and wanted to go back to outer space. But the UFO idea was always really quite central. So the UFOs are their heaven's gate, is the gate to heaven.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

And they connected to that interpretation, that the UFOs were not just technological visitors, but rather that the beings on board the UFOs were here to teach us something. In the case of Heaven's Gate, they came to see themselves as from outer space and wanted to go back to outer space. But the UFO idea was always really quite central. So the UFOs are their heaven's gate, is the gate to heaven.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

The UFOs are correct, yes. And they really tried to emphasize it wasn't so much about the UFOs themselves, it was where they would go on the UFO. The UFO was the vessel that would take you there. I call them a UFO religion. They would probably, if they were still around, they would say we're not a UFO religion, an outer space religion maybe.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

The UFOs are correct, yes. And they really tried to emphasize it wasn't so much about the UFOs themselves, it was where they would go on the UFO. The UFO was the vessel that would take you there. I call them a UFO religion. They would probably, if they were still around, they would say we're not a UFO religion, an outer space religion maybe.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

The UFOs are correct, yes. And they really tried to emphasize it wasn't so much about the UFOs themselves, it was where they would go on the UFO. The UFO was the vessel that would take you there. I call them a UFO religion. They would probably, if they were still around, they would say we're not a UFO religion, an outer space religion maybe.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

What they wanted to do was get to the next level, which is what they called outer space. So they also called it the evolutionary level above human, Tela, or the kingdom of God. And they used all sorts of names for it. But it was outer space. It's what Christians would call heaven. And I suppose we would say the heavens, outer space. And the Flying Saucers would get them there.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

What they wanted to do was get to the next level, which is what they called outer space. So they also called it the evolutionary level above human, Tela, or the kingdom of God. And they used all sorts of names for it. But it was outer space. It's what Christians would call heaven. And I suppose we would say the heavens, outer space. And the Flying Saucers would get them there.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

What they wanted to do was get to the next level, which is what they called outer space. So they also called it the evolutionary level above human, Tela, or the kingdom of God. And they used all sorts of names for it. But it was outer space. It's what Christians would call heaven. And I suppose we would say the heavens, outer space. And the Flying Saucers would get them there.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

Bonnie Lou Nettles und Marshall Herf Alba White are in their 40s and 50s when they're founding Heaven's Gate. Okay. That's unusual for the new religions of the 1970s in some ways because you tended to have sort of spiritual seekers who were in their 20s or even younger. Among the sort of other gurus, it's actually relatively common.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

Bonnie Lou Nettles und Marshall Herf Alba White are in their 40s and 50s when they're founding Heaven's Gate. Okay. That's unusual for the new religions of the 1970s in some ways because you tended to have sort of spiritual seekers who were in their 20s or even younger. Among the sort of other gurus, it's actually relatively common.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

Bonnie Lou Nettles und Marshall Herf Alba White are in their 40s and 50s when they're founding Heaven's Gate. Okay. That's unusual for the new religions of the 1970s in some ways because you tended to have sort of spiritual seekers who were in their 20s or even younger. Among the sort of other gurus, it's actually relatively common.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

So if you think about the gurus or the founders of other new religions, often they're people who've had more experience in life.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

So if you think about the gurus or the founders of other new religions, often they're people who've had more experience in life.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

So if you think about the gurus or the founders of other new religions, often they're people who've had more experience in life.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

Einer der am meisten versteckten Teile von Heaven's Gate ist, dass es Nonsens ist. Ich sage nicht, dass ich daran glaube. Aber es gibt eine Logik dazu. Was sie gemacht haben, ist, dass sie das christliche Buch von Revelation, andere Teile der Bibel, And they read it through a ufological lens.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

Einer der am meisten versteckten Teile von Heaven's Gate ist, dass es Nonsens ist. Ich sage nicht, dass ich daran glaube. Aber es gibt eine Logik dazu. Was sie gemacht haben, ist, dass sie das christliche Buch von Revelation, andere Teile der Bibel, And they read it through a ufological lens.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

Einer der am meisten versteckten Teile von Heaven's Gate ist, dass es Nonsens ist. Ich sage nicht, dass ich daran glaube. Aber es gibt eine Logik dazu. Was sie gemacht haben, ist, dass sie das christliche Buch von Revelation, andere Teile der Bibel, And they read it through a ufological lens.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

I wrote an article where I called it a hermeneutic, which is such a fancy way of saying an interpretive framework. So their hermeneutic, their interpretive framework is that the Bible is right, but you have to read it through ufology. Particularly they came to believe in what's called dispensationalism. Das ist eine Form von Millenialismus. Das hat mit der Rapschur zu tun.

American History Hit
Heaven's Gate: The UFO Cult

I wrote an article where I called it a hermeneutic, which is such a fancy way of saying an interpretive framework. So their hermeneutic, their interpretive framework is that the Bible is right, but you have to read it through ufology. Particularly they came to believe in what's called dispensationalism. Das ist eine Form von Millenialismus. Das hat mit der Rapschur zu tun.