Bernard Jackman

I know, but the vast majority of players would unfortunately stay down, milk and look for a penalty.

He jumps up and apologises to the player that, you know, had effectively caused the collision.

Like, he's just... And he doesn't give you... Sorry, I don't mean to say he's going around making friends.

He's unbelievably competitive.

But whatever club gets him... And I was against him signing.

Sorry, I was against the signing of him because I felt Ulster had a lot of players...

At the time, they needed other players.

Yeah, I thought they needed to spend the position somewhere else.

The foreign player spot, I never doubted Werner Koch, but I just thought that with the gas they had and the depth they had on the outside, that it was a waste of a foreign player spot.

But to be fair to him,

Obviously, they're used to having an unbelievable impact from their foreigners over the years.

Whether Johan Muller or Ruan Pienaar, etc.

John Afoa.

But Werner Koch has come in, not a superstar like John Afoa was or Ruan Pienaar was, but his impact is incredible.

I kind of feel sad that it's so tight.

And I know it's tight for a reason, but that they couldn't keep him.

I don't think it's on the agenda.

And I don't doubt that every province has had dark days or does things wrong.

Unfortunately, I would say, Munster at the moment are just trying to find the right way.

And I think if they were doing well, there wouldn't be as much focus on them.