Betsy Hicks Russ

She couldn't believe it.

I mean, she knew I was talking about it, but seeing it herself and having done her own, which she felt was a correct study.

Yeah.

Made it a lot more real to her.

So since that's been the case, you know, she can't wait every single day to hear what did Joe spell today?

You know, she's just really excited about it.

Right.

And and then let's even take into the role, too, of this like martyrdom that moms are supposed to kind of.

And I and I I'm not not saying dads because I'm trying to leave them out.

I don't have experience being the dad piece of it.

But it's also this kind of.

You need to do all this, but there's nothing for you in this.

And this is something that Joe spelled really, really early on is how much he wants me to love and care for myself.

Because how much that matters.

I learned over time that that affects him so dramatically that he needs me to be joyful and happy and be able to be regulated myself.

It's such a co-creative process.

Co-regulation, but it's co-creative as well.

It's both.

We're creating this life together.

We're regulating each other.