Bhaskar Sunkara
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first heard Dec 2022
last heard Dec 2022
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So I think it's just the transition part that I think wasn't spelled out properly.
But I think in either case, as socialists, we can assume that history is working in our favor.
We just need to kind of hold out and wait for the inevitable revolution.
We have to convince people of both, one, the struggle for day-to-day reforms and why it's important to be politically organized, why it's important to...
be a member of a union or to advocate for things like universal health care or whatever else to try to kind of build the cohesion and sense of self of the class.
Then ultimately, for the desirability, once we accomplish it, once we build social democracy of going beyond social democracy, which is, of course, the challenge.
Now, I don't think it requires leadership from the outside, but
I think there are plenty of organic leaders that have emerged from the working class that have advocated for socialism from the working class.
And if you look at the class composition during the glory days of the European socialist parties, I mean, this was very much a working class parties and organizations.
It's only been the last, like, 30 years that it's been taken over by professionals and, you know, not...
Uncoincidentally, they have accomplished very little in those 30 years.
I think the traditional socialist vision of kind of, if you want to call it full communism, would be very similar to the anarchist vision of a world without coercion, mass abundance, and so on.
I myself don't share that vision.
I believe that we will always need to have a state in some form.
As a way to, one, even just mediate difference.
I think traditionally a lot of Marxists have thought that after you remove the primary contradiction, quote unquote, of class, that all other political questions would be resolved.
And I think that's a lot behind a lot of the thinking of we're going to have a full communism after politics.
Mm-hmm.
I don't think there will be an after politics.
I think for one thing, let's say I'll give you another Northeast example.
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