Bjørn Lomborg

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Lex Fridman Podcast · #339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin · 18 Nov 2022 podcast

That's absolutely a discussion about where do you take your models from.

I try to do, and again, this is not possible everywhere, I try to actually take models

the average of all of the economic models.

There's a group called the Stanford Energy Modeling Forum, which tries to pull together all these different groups that do the modeling.

Some models, a lot of this cost actually comes down to the fact that we don't quite know how much more fossil fuels you're going to need in the future.

And so if your projections are you're not going to use that much, the cost of reducing it is going to be very small.

If you think you're going to use a ton of extra fossil fuels and you have to reduce that, the cost is going to be bigger.

That's just one of the variables.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there's many, many, many more.

I think the point here is to say that if you take the average of all the best models that are sort of aggregated, for instance, at the Stanford Energy Modeling Forum, you're pretty secure ground.

And so, again, I would argue that Bob Ward, yes, I've had a lot of run-ins with Bob Ward, and he has a very different set of views on things.

But I just don't think he's right in saying that I'm cherry-picking.

And just very briefly, I mean, I'm laying it out very transparently where I get these estimates from in the book.

I've really tried to document this.

And yes, I mean, look, there's nobody who sort of has all the information and gets everything right in all of these areas.

I think most of Ward's argument is not a –

uh a good faith effort to uh to sort of uh improve on on these estimates he's he's right in saying some of these estimates we only have a few estimates and you know yeah i'd like to have more of them i one thing i should mention is that there is very little interest in general and there's very little funding in finding out how much do our climate policies cost because that's you know that's just inconvenient to everyone yeah and and the whole game you know who wants to know that

you know, for instance, would you want to fund something that says that the Inflation Reduction Act is not going to be very effective?

Of course you don't want to do that, right?

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