Bjørn Lomborg

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Lex Fridman Podcast · #339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin · 18 Nov 2022 podcast

The war in Ukraine is definitely sort of changing that whole perspective.

But, you know, there's a willingness to say we're going to suffer a little bit, then we'll fix this problem.

But the point is we're going to be willing to suffer a little and so fix a tiny bit of the climate problem.

Instead of actually focusing on innovation.

So what we found was if you spend a dollar on innovation, you will probably avoid about $11 of climate damage in the long run, which is a great investment.

And the terrible thing is we have not been doing this.

So because everybody's focused on saying we need this solution within the next 12 years.

It means you're not thinking about the innovation.

We're actually spending less money, not more money, on innovation globally.

You're basically focusing on putting the existing solar panels or wind turbines, which are either just about inefficient or inefficient,

Instead of making the next generation, or it's more likely the 10th generation after that, that comes with lots of battery backup power, or fourth generation nuclear, or Craig Venter has this great idea.

Craig Venter, the guy who cracked the human genome back in 2000, he has this idea of growing algae out on the ocean surface.

These algae, they'd be genetically modified, and they would basically soak up sunlight and CO2 and produce oil.

then we could basically just grow our own Saudi Arabia on the ocean surface and we'd harvest it.

We'd keep our entire fossil fuel economy, but it'd now be net zero because we just soaked up the CO2 out there.

No one's going to magically come in and... And that's where I think... So I agree that everyone should try to play their part and do whatever they can.

But I also think just the sheer incentives, what we saw happening with shale gas is a great example.

When shale gas becomes so cheap that you just stop using coal,

then you don't really have to convince lots and lots of people, you know, coal is really bad.

It wasn't an energy thing.

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