Bjørn Lomborg
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Lex Fridman Podcast · #339 – Climate Change Debate: Bjørn Lomborg and Andrew Revkin · 18 Nov 2022
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Emissions.
Yeah.
And in 2019, so just before COVID hit, they actually did a survey of the 2010s.
So the last big sort of report on how well are we doing.
And their takeaway quote, and I'm not going to get this right, but it's pretty much what they said was,
If you take the world as if we hadn't cared about climate change since 2005, we can't tell the difference between that world and the world that we're actually living in.
So despite the fact that we've had 10 years of, you know, immense focus on climate and everybody talks about it and the Paris agreement, which is perhaps the biggest global sort of agreement and what we're going to be doing.
You can't actually tell.
And that I think is incredibly important because what it tells you is all that we're doing is not even on the margin.
It's sort of smaller than that.
And I'm not sure what that is, but you know, we're basically dealing in, you know, so for instance, the UK loves to point out that they have dramatically reduced their carbon emissions and they have, they've really dramatically lowered their emissions, but mostly because they've de-industrialized.
They basically said, look, we're just going to be bankers for all of you guys, and then everybody else is going to produce our stuff, which of course is great for Britain.
I don't know if it's great for Britain, but we can't all do that.
And so most of what we're trying to do right now is sort of this virtue signaling.
It makes us feel good.
It's sort of, yeah, on the margin or in the very tiny margin.
But what we basically, and that was Andy, your point with China,
And the reason why we can't tell the difference, of course, is because China basically became the workshop for everyone.
And so not only did they lift more than half a million people out of poverty, sorry, half a billion people out of poverty, but they also basically took over most production in the world.
And so, of course, many rich countries could decarbonize or at least reduce their carbon emissions and feel very virtuous about it.
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