Bob Kagan
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first heard Feb 2026
last heard 29 Jul
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enormous increase in human prosperity and the spread of democracy in a way that's never been seen before.
That is what the bipartisan foreign policy establishment after World War II gave us.
The fact that Americans, what really happened in my view was that Americans came to take that for granted.
They assumed that that is the steady state and therefore all we were ever doing was getting into trouble.
without realizing that the getting into trouble was part and parcel of the overall effort to sustain this world order, and that you could not sustain this world order if you were not willing to take those kinds of risks.
Now, does that mean that they all work?
No.
But they did ultimately support the order.
And now we're going to find out what it looks like when you don't have that.
We're going to find out what real failure looks like.
It's all been very ahistorical and really thinking that somehow –
The alternative to our bad policies is some kind of utopian world where we really never have to do any of these things.
And that really is not realism, I would say.
Well, I don't know what the state of play is.
Obviously, Trump would like to change the subject.
And I think, again, as I say, move into purely hemispheric activities and hope that that works.
And I don't know.
I didn't think that even Venezuela would be as stable as it is right now.
So I don't want to go out on a limb.
But, you know, I don't want to...
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