Bob Kagan
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first heard Feb 2026
last heard 29 Jul
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And so now the strategy in this attempt to liberate the Iranian people from this brutal regime will now be to make them suffer as much as possible and bring about what the Israelis, I think, are looking for, which is not regime change, but state failure.
by which is meant really the inability of any state to function in Iran.
If Trump gets what he wants, we will go sailing off into the sunset, having turned Iran into a smoking ruin where people are dying of starvation and disease and lack of access to water, etc.
The regime has collapsed, the country is in total chaos, and we are on our way back to...
wherever we were before we started this.
And I don't know what the outcome of that is for the region and not to mention for the Iranian people.
Again, our strategy, insofar as we seem to have a strategy now, is sort of beyond regime change, or it's regime change accomplished only through the utter destruction of Iran.
Yeah, sure.
Only through state failure.
Whether he can accomplish state failure in two or three weeks of intensive bombing, I don't know.
So I don't rule out that.
But right now, what you're saying is certainly true.
As a longstanding, you know, defense hawk, I'm in favor of increased spending.
You have to ask what exactly it's for now, given the new strategy of the United States, because we've basically ended the alliance with our NATO allies and therefore we will not be engaged, I presume, in the defense of Europe anymore.
We are going to hand over the Persian Gulf to a consortium of powers, including China and Iran and others.
And we will be exiting, apparently, after we finish blowing the place up.
Our Asian allies are now basically deciding that they also have to go it alone.
The relationship between
with South Korea is a total disaster.
And I don't think we're far away from them basically sort of saying they're going to go nuclear and be on their own.
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