Bob Kagan
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1,471 appearances
4 recordings
1 series
first heard Feb 2026
last heard 29 Jul
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So at the end of the day, we are going to be, as a result of this, a very, very lonely country without allies.
So that doesn't seem to me to be a great triumph.
Well, we're at the beginning of a period in which things that we used to get basically for free, in the sense that we didn't have to fight for it, like...
open access to the oceans around the world, basing in many, many, many, many countries around the world.
The countries allow us to use their territory for bases, not only to protect them, but to project power in various different ways.
Our substantial control of the international financial system is going to be severely undermined.
And we've given Putin the greatest prize that he could possibly have, which is the destruction of NATO.
That is what he's been seeking for 20 years.
The Chinese are...
improving their position globally at our expense.
They want us out of the Western Pacific and East Asia, and we are heading in that direction.
But I think I really do want to focus a little on the Gulf itself, because at the end of the day, there's going to be some basic objective reality that is going to be inescapable.
And that is that the United States, at the end of this conflict,
unless some kind of extraordinary event happens and Iran just collapses and becomes a friendly country within the next three weeks, where we're going to be left is we will have been substantially pushed out of the Middle East and Persian Gulf.
That is the net consequence of this.
Because if when we quit, as Trump claims, leaving the Strait of Hormuz closed,
That means the rest of the world is now going to have to negotiate with Iran on exactly how the Strait of Hormuz will be operated going forward.
And Iran will no longer have to fear further American attack because we will have absented ourselves.
Therefore, the balance of power will have shifted in Iran's favor.
But more than that.
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