Bob Kagan

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The Bulwark Daily · Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World · 3 Apr 2026 podcast

One is the Democratic Party is not the party of Harry Truman and Dean Atchison, if we remember a couple of years back.

But now the Republican Party is not the Republican Party anymore.

And I thought, you know, there were always signs that maybe there was some kind of on Ukraine and other things.

There's been a lingering, you know, Reaganites people.

They're going to stand up, you know, for that at least.

But that seems to be the wayside.

By the way, one of these people who said we should pull out of NATO said we should still be supporting Ukraine, though.

Why?

First of all, how if we have given up on NATO?

But but second of all, why exactly are we going to, you know, only help countries that we think we like?

It has nothing to do with strategic issues anymore.

It's sort of very strange.

I just don't see how we could go back to the way things were, put it put it that way, because I'm not even sure I would advise the Europeans to accept the level of dependence on the United States that they did accept for, you know.

so many decades because we just are unreliable.

Because even if you do get a sort of transatlantically oriented Democrat, assuming that we have a free and fair election in 2028, but assuming that you do, where will the Republican Party be?

It's not inconceivable the Republican Party will be, at that point, even more sort of thoroughly America first and isolationist than it is right now, which means that any alteration of power

goes from we're going to flip back and forth with each election between, oh, yeah, we're your allies, we're your allies.

Oh, now you can all go to hell, you know.

So if I were making long-range policy plans as a Japanese prime minister or a German or, more importantly, Polish government, I would not say, oh, thank God the Democrats are back.

I can throw myself totally back into the American alliance.

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