Bozoma Saint John
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183 appearances
2 recordings
2 series
first heard Jan 2025
last heard Mar 2025
Bozoma Saint John’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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So question. First question. Yes. Glennon. Yes. Are you still being an African auntie? Are you checking your WhatsApp?
I'm very, very disappointed. Because Lovey and I taught you about WhatsApp and the importance of it. If you were going to be a true African auntie, you have to check your WhatsApp because that's how the messages come. And I sent you a video from this morning. Wait, hold on. Let me see if I can just play it here so you can see it. Maybe you won't hear the sound. This was critical this morning.
It was God talking to me this morning. Okay. What did God say to you? God said this. Can you kind of see? God said. It's my mother. What? And her shirt says I can do hard things.
This morning? This morning. I came in from the gym and she was in the kitchen. And she was dancing around, wearing a shirt that said, I can do hard things. And I looked at her and I was just like, where did that come from? And she was like, oh, do you like it? I was like, why did you do that? And she was like, oh, this is just a shirt. I just put it on.
We both freaked out when I told her what was going on today. Oh, my gosh. So I sent it to you on WhatsApp and look at you. You missed the message.
Yeah. All of that. All of that. Yes. Yes. I am also in awe. It's amazing. All the things. It doesn't actually make sense because the stats are not in my favor and have never been. And so it is. Yes. It strikes me as awe inspiring, too. Yeah. Honey, do you remember the first time we met? Of course.
Yes. Either the strong or the soft, right?
Oh, rememberable. Yes, you were rememberable. You were rememberable because also I had seen both of you. separately before I saw you in person, obviously. Abby, clearly. Hello. The whole world had seen you already. I knew that. I was very excited about that. Glennon, I don't even know if I even told you this. I first saw you on Oprah stage at USC. Oh, I didn't know that.
I was only able to be there for like one session and it was yours. And I sat in the audience and then this sprite of a person... came across the stage and I was like, oh, this is the most interesting white woman I have ever seen in my life. Like, I was like, oh, okay, yeah. Her, that one. This one. Oh. And honest. You know, I hadn't heard such honesty before.
So by the time we got to the Together live tour, oh, I knew exactly who in the hell y'all were. I did not know that. And you did not disappoint. Oh, that's good. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Still honest. Even backstage, still honest. So I was very, very impressed by you both in person. Thank you both so much.
It is so hard to articulate. It really is. It's hard to articulate because of that hard place of trying to figure out whether or not The problem is you or the problem is them. You know, when they say like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, it's not. It's not. It's not you. It's me. How many times do you have to say that before you realize that? No, no, it's actually not me at all. It's them. Yes.
And then the disappointment in that. In knowing that you chose, you decided. And they were the problem. Like, to be able to admit that is so hard. You know, so then, yeah, you spend the time trying to prove that you actually were not wrong. That you chose right. That's the position you spend your energy doing. So that's what happens to me, too.
That often I'm in a situation and I'm like, oh, yeah, no, no, no. I chose right because I'm good at choosing. I've thought about it. I have followed my intuition. God told me. And I moved. I went. And then at some point, you're like, uh-oh. I don't think this is right. Yes. But I've spent so much time then trying to convince myself that I wasn't wrong. And that it must be me. That if I'm only...
smarter, if I'm only more likable, if I'm only wittier, if I'm only more amenable, then maybe I'm not wrong. Because how could I be wrong? I know myself. I take no shit. I could never be wrong in that. It's become very humbling, actually. We were talking about like being strong and soft. It's like you can be self-assured and also humble and humble in knowing that sometimes you get it wrong.
Sometimes you get it wrong again and again and again and again. That's right. In that wrongness, it's okay. You still survive. You can be wrong. You know, I'm very comfortable in being wrong now. Very, very comfortable. I'm like, oh, wrong turn again.
You missed your turn.
It's me. It's me. It's not them. It's me. And that is such a hard thing. It is a hard thing to acknowledge. It's a hard thing to accept, you know, and then it's a hard thing to correct.
And I'm forgiving me. I'm forgiving me for making the wrong choice again. We're so hard on ourselves. Beat yourself up. I should have known better. I've seen it before. I should have seen it again. Right? And so then it's like the forgiving myself. And I'm talking about me. I constantly have to forgive myself for sometimes making the wrong call for myself. You know, it's so much easier, right?
To like forgive other people. Yeah. So much. Not sometimes it's hard, but it's so much easier to say, oh, well, that person made a mistake. Like if I look at my daughter. And she makes a mistake, right? I'm like, oh, hon, it's fine. You're still an amazing person. Like that was just, that was just, it was bad for the moment. It's okay. It's okay. We're going to figure it out. Right?
I encourage her that she can make mistakes and that she can turn around and do better. But yet for myself, oh, I could spend months, you know, saying like, but why did you do that? You knew better. You know, and that's what becomes so hard about the staying or the going. How fast can I forgive myself for making the wrong decision?
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