Bozoma Saint John
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The hardest part about communicating with white women is that they still think we're the same. Somehow that just being women means that we're the same. And that is not true. And again, I think it's like intellectually we all know that. But practically, do we know that? Emotionally, do we know that? I don't think so. And so then the idea of our united spirit.
The hardest part about communicating with white women is that they still think we're the same. Somehow that just being women means that we're the same. And that is not true. And again, I think it's like intellectually we all know that. But practically, do we know that? Emotionally, do we know that? I don't think so. And so then the idea of our united spirit.
sort of energy and our united mission falls apart because we're still working inside of a society in which whiteness then is the superior. And so it's like the superiority of the white women experience is completely a giant as compared to mine. And so then mine doesn't really matter. So
sort of energy and our united mission falls apart because we're still working inside of a society in which whiteness then is the superior. And so it's like the superiority of the white women experience is completely a giant as compared to mine. And so then mine doesn't really matter. So
sort of energy and our united mission falls apart because we're still working inside of a society in which whiteness then is the superior. And so it's like the superiority of the white women experience is completely a giant as compared to mine. And so then mine doesn't really matter. So
the individual kind of struggles or other types of challenges that I have because there's so many other connection points in whiteness to white men that I simply don't have. Right. And so you would think, oh, well, look, I have the connection to women regardless of race. And then the white women have the connection to the men because of race.
the individual kind of struggles or other types of challenges that I have because there's so many other connection points in whiteness to white men that I simply don't have. Right. And so you would think, oh, well, look, I have the connection to women regardless of race. And then the white women have the connection to the men because of race.
the individual kind of struggles or other types of challenges that I have because there's so many other connection points in whiteness to white men that I simply don't have. Right. And so you would think, oh, well, look, I have the connection to women regardless of race. And then the white women have the connection to the men because of race.
So then they're connected here to the men and they're connected to me because of women. So they're connected on two points and I'm connected on one. I'm dependent on that one. And so I'm already at a disadvantage. And so just understanding that as a literal practical thing, and that's just the bottom of it, right? Everything else like builds on top of it. But that is the most difficult.
So then they're connected here to the men and they're connected to me because of women. So they're connected on two points and I'm connected on one. I'm dependent on that one. And so I'm already at a disadvantage. And so just understanding that as a literal practical thing, and that's just the bottom of it, right? Everything else like builds on top of it. But that is the most difficult.
So then they're connected here to the men and they're connected to me because of women. So they're connected on two points and I'm connected on one. I'm dependent on that one. And so I'm already at a disadvantage. And so just understanding that as a literal practical thing, and that's just the bottom of it, right? Everything else like builds on top of it. But that is the most difficult.
Actually getting the understanding, not just intellectually, but emotionally, that we're not on the same playing field is very, very difficult.
Actually getting the understanding, not just intellectually, but emotionally, that we're not on the same playing field is very, very difficult.
Actually getting the understanding, not just intellectually, but emotionally, that we're not on the same playing field is very, very difficult.
With the white men. That's right. With the power. You know, it's a practical one of that. Do you remember in the Obama administration? You probably read this where they said that the women band together to help. amplify each other's voices, right, in meetings and whatnot. I thought that was such a beautiful thing. And it has taken root in corporate.
With the white men. That's right. With the power. You know, it's a practical one of that. Do you remember in the Obama administration? You probably read this where they said that the women band together to help. amplify each other's voices, right, in meetings and whatnot. I thought that was such a beautiful thing. And it has taken root in corporate.
With the white men. That's right. With the power. You know, it's a practical one of that. Do you remember in the Obama administration? You probably read this where they said that the women band together to help. amplify each other's voices, right, in meetings and whatnot. I thought that was such a beautiful thing. And it has taken root in corporate.
Like, you can see it, you know, where women say, okay, we're getting in there. You have an idea. I'm going to support your idea. You know, it's like, and that's such a beautiful thing. But what is happening also is that in those situations, It is not just my voice that needs to be heard, but my perspective and my story, which sometimes needs to lead.
Like, you can see it, you know, where women say, okay, we're getting in there. You have an idea. I'm going to support your idea. You know, it's like, and that's such a beautiful thing. But what is happening also is that in those situations, It is not just my voice that needs to be heard, but my perspective and my story, which sometimes needs to lead.
Like, you can see it, you know, where women say, okay, we're getting in there. You have an idea. I'm going to support your idea. You know, it's like, and that's such a beautiful thing. But what is happening also is that in those situations, It is not just my voice that needs to be heard, but my perspective and my story, which sometimes needs to lead.