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Brad Gerstner

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1234 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

And so, you know,

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I think Sam's in his head saying, I believe, and he says multiple times on the pod, we're gonna have revenues in excess of $100 billion.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

And the 1.4 trillion, it's super important to remember, this is over a period of five or six years.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I estimate about half of that spending is going to be borne by the partners.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

So now we're talking $700 billion in spending.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

Spread that over five or six years.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

In the out years, you're probably talking about $150 billion of CapEx to OpenAI.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

So he's probably sitting there saying, and he said, we're going to have over $100 billion of revenue.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

So if we have $150 billion of revenue and $150 billion in CapEx, now it begins to pencil out a little bit more.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

But importantly, he said,

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

And if we don't have those revenues, we've got to match our revenues to our expenses, right?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I think they will just extend, recut the deals in order to make those expenses doable for the company.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

Yeah.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

Yeah.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I think I was brilliantly said by David, listen, it's a national imperative that we accelerate the build out of AI infrastructure across the country.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I've said before, the $4 trillion that Jensen Huang has estimated will be built out over the next five years is 10 times the size of the Manhattan Project that was totally federally funded.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

Okay, and this is all being privately funded.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

But it wouldn't be possible without the government, Secretary Wright, others, Burgum, et cetera, clearing out of the way the regulatory hurdles.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

You heard on the same pod that power is really the gating issue here.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

And so it's been amazing to see what the federal government is doing.