Braidee Otto

Like, where did the concept of like this, I suppose, spy organization come from and

it is actually heavily inspired by a previous toxic workplace.

Yes, yes.

So she kind of, I suppose, as well because one of the main rules within the AV area is love no one.

So you're not supposed to be building these relationships with other people.

And we kind of see, I suppose...

the impacts of that in the way that she has been allowed to maintain this relationship with Nyssa, but it has been turned against her to manipulate her.

And I think, like, she's in a very interesting place, but it does put her in a good position

as well like throughout her arc and throughout the rest of the story for her to be able to, I suppose, lean on people more and start to trust more and develop new friendships outside of that space, which I think is really, really important for her and for the projection of where she's going.

Yes, yes.

I think as well like everything that she goes through,

I personally have had some of the most incredible friends who have got me through and even like family who have got me through some of the toughest times in life.

And I really wanted her to have that.

I wanted her to have at least one person that she could trust when she's surrounded by all of these people who honestly just can't be trusted.

Yes.

Absolutely.

I mean...

Some of them.

I think, like, Raven is a very polarising character and particularly, I suppose, like the second chance element.

I'm trying to think of things to say without being too spoilery because I know there's people out there who haven't read it and there's a lot of people who are making assumptions and guesses and have theories based on how the book progresses and where it ends and...