Brandon Novak

Really? And that's what I've heard before. Wasn't that what AA was founded on? The guy Bill?

Really? And that's what I've heard before. Wasn't that what AA was founded on? The guy Bill?

Went to Carl Young, and he was like, bro, either find God or you're toast. Yeah. In a way.

Went to Carl Young, and he was like, bro, either find God or you're toast. Yeah. In a way.

Yeah, that's everyone I've known. Totally.

Yeah, that's everyone I've known. Totally.

Do you remember what kind of kicked that off exactly or was it just kind of like –

Do you remember what kind of kicked that off exactly or was it just kind of like –

Yeah. So what did that look like in terms of like, you're saying like the personal pain, was it like, like obviously like there's probably physical discomfort and all that stuff, but like just like alienation from everyone you've ever known? Were you like kind of like kicking yourself over like how much better things could have went? Like what was like the real primer?

Yeah. So what did that look like in terms of like, you're saying like the personal pain, was it like, like obviously like there's probably physical discomfort and all that stuff, but like just like alienation from everyone you've ever known? Were you like kind of like kicking yourself over like how much better things could have went? Like what was like the real primer?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you knew even just heading all the way there, you're, like, just something flipped.

So you knew even just heading all the way there, you're, like, just something flipped.

Yeah, and you're talking – when you say that, you mean like yourself basically or like – because it sounds to me like it's like – like you were saying like, yeah, fucking heroin. Yeah, yeah. Keep making me fucking do it when in reality it is like it's yourself. Yeah. Nobody – even without drugs, nobody wants to admit that like they're a complete problem.

Yeah, and you're talking – when you say that, you mean like yourself basically or like – because it sounds to me like it's like – like you were saying like, yeah, fucking heroin. Yeah, yeah. Keep making me fucking do it when in reality it is like it's yourself. Yeah. Nobody – even without drugs, nobody wants to admit that like they're a complete problem.

Yeah, dude, it does. It can fuck you up, man. You can, yeah, it can really fuck you up. You can do anything and just be like, get something in your head. Like, Oh, I'm not good enough. Totally. And then it just snowballs. Yeah. It's kind of fucked up. It's insane.

Yeah, dude, it does. It can fuck you up, man. You can, yeah, it can really fuck you up. You can do anything and just be like, get something in your head. Like, Oh, I'm not good enough. Totally. And then it just snowballs. Yeah. It's kind of fucked up. It's insane.

Oh, nice. It's been a while.

Oh, nice. It's been a while.