Brandon Novak

So I'm like,

So I'm like,

And you were maintaining relative sobriety? No, no.

And you were maintaining relative sobriety? No, no.

What was it? This is your first book, right? The first book, Dream Seller. Dream Seller. That's a nice title too.

What was it? This is your first book, right? The first book, Dream Seller. Dream Seller. That's a nice title too.

Yeah, can you put that into words? I'm always kind of fascinated by that when it's like, because it is obvious to anyone who's done on drugs, when you know someone who's on drugs, you're like, dude, if you just don't do drugs, you won't have as many problems. And they're like... I have to do them.

Yeah, can you put that into words? I'm always kind of fascinated by that when it's like, because it is obvious to anyone who's done on drugs, when you know someone who's on drugs, you're like, dude, if you just don't do drugs, you won't have as many problems. And they're like... I have to do them.

Like, how do you, what is like the thought, is it even a thought process or is it just like a, like a genuine, just like urge at that point in time for me?

Like, how do you, what is like the thought, is it even a thought process or is it just like a, like a genuine, just like urge at that point in time for me?

Yeah, so you're saying like... I'm like the process of like having, I guess, that urge versus like, you know, like you said, in some way you kind of know like, yeah, this isn't going to go well. So I remember. You just have to. I have to do it.

Yeah, so you're saying like... I'm like the process of like having, I guess, that urge versus like, you know, like you said, in some way you kind of know like, yeah, this isn't going to go well. So I remember. You just have to. I have to do it.

Jesus, man.

Jesus, man.

Yeah, that's a good explanation of it. Because I know it's not like a thing with words. It's just kind of like you know, you also don't. It's pretty fucking rugged, man.

Yeah, that's a good explanation of it. Because I know it's not like a thing with words. It's just kind of like you know, you also don't. It's pretty fucking rugged, man.

Yeah, that is the thing. I feel like addiction, it is like a... It's almost like a weird spiritual practice if you think about it. You just kind of, like, rather than, like, meditating, you're just getting so fucking high all the time that your life just collapses, and then now you have to really kind of... It gives people, I think, a deeper appreciation for life if they make it through it.

Yeah, that is the thing. I feel like addiction, it is like a... It's almost like a weird spiritual practice if you think about it. You just kind of, like, rather than, like, meditating, you're just getting so fucking high all the time that your life just collapses, and then now you have to really kind of... It gives people, I think, a deeper appreciation for life if they make it through it.

And that's the thing, right?

And that's the thing, right?