Brandon Novak

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Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast · Ep 530 - Novak's House (feat. Brandon Novak) · 22 Nov 2024 podcast

So I'm like,

And you were maintaining relative sobriety? No, no.

What was it? This is your first book, right? The first book, Dream Seller. Dream Seller. That's a nice title too.

Yeah, can you put that into words? I'm always kind of fascinated by that when it's like, because it is obvious to anyone who's done on drugs, when you know someone who's on drugs, you're like, dude, if you just don't do drugs, you won't have as many problems. And they're like... I have to do them.

Like, how do you, what is like the thought, is it even a thought process or is it just like a, like a genuine, just like urge at that point in time for me?

Yeah, so you're saying like... I'm like the process of like having, I guess, that urge versus like, you know, like you said, in some way you kind of know like, yeah, this isn't going to go well. So I remember. You just have to. I have to do it.

Jesus, man.

Yeah, that's a good explanation of it. Because I know it's not like a thing with words. It's just kind of like you know, you also don't. It's pretty fucking rugged, man.

Yeah, that is the thing. I feel like addiction, it is like a... It's almost like a weird spiritual practice if you think about it. You just kind of, like, rather than, like, meditating, you're just getting so fucking high all the time that your life just collapses, and then now you have to really kind of... It gives people, I think, a deeper appreciation for life if they make it through it.

And that's the thing, right?

Really? And that's what I've heard before. Wasn't that what AA was founded on? The guy Bill?

Went to Carl Young, and he was like, bro, either find God or you're toast. Yeah. In a way.

Yeah, that's everyone I've known. Totally.

Do you remember what kind of kicked that off exactly or was it just kind of like –

Yeah. So what did that look like in terms of like, you're saying like the personal pain, was it like, like obviously like there's probably physical discomfort and all that stuff, but like just like alienation from everyone you've ever known? Were you like kind of like kicking yourself over like how much better things could have went? Like what was like the real primer?

Yeah.

So you knew even just heading all the way there, you're, like, just something flipped.

Yeah, and you're talking – when you say that, you mean like yourself basically or like – because it sounds to me like it's like – like you were saying like, yeah, fucking heroin. Yeah, yeah. Keep making me fucking do it when in reality it is like it's yourself. Yeah. Nobody – even without drugs, nobody wants to admit that like they're a complete problem.

Yeah, dude, it does. It can fuck you up, man. You can, yeah, it can really fuck you up. You can do anything and just be like, get something in your head. Like, Oh, I'm not good enough. Totally. And then it just snowballs. Yeah. It's kind of fucked up. It's insane.

Oh, nice. It's been a while.

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