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The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

I'm thinking about, have we talked about the research on NBA players who had abusive coaches?

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

You and I have offline, but we should talk about it here.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

I think it's important.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

Julian Barling and his colleagues published this study where they looked at coaches who were consistently berating and belittling their players and compared them with coaches who didn't.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

And so you have a, every coach gets a score on how abusive they are.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

And then you track what happens to players' careers if they happen to have a coach who was higher on the abusive end of the spectrum.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

And it turns out those players go on to perform worse for the rest of their careers, even when they're not under that coach's thumb anymore.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

Yes.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

And, and one of the key mechanisms there seems to be that they have more emotional outbursts.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

They are more dysregulated.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

They commit more technical fouls.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

They, they end up struggling more to coordinate with their teammates.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

And like the, in the paper, the researchers talk about it as like, these players are a

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

They never fully healed the wounds of feeling like if I don't perform today, it means there might be something wrong with me.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

And I never thought about it through a shame lens until you brought shame into this conversation.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

But I think part of that scar is those abusive coaches are leaving these players with a lasting sense of shame that interferes with their ability to concentrate on performing their best.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

I mean, a hundred percent.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

A hundred percent.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

Shame impairs performance.

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Why Toughness and Kindness Need Each Other | The Curiosity Shop

I am actively working with teams right now who were talking about this a lot.