Brenda Power

Dead right, yeah.

There is a ship called The World, isn't there?

That's it, that's the one, yes.

Where people actually live on it, basically, yeah.

Okay, well, look, we'll leave that there, so hopefully it's you.

Daniel, will you just tell us about this kind of bizarre, but again, bizarre things are happening and turning out to be true all the time, that the Chinese are trying to infiltrate Verona Murphy?

There might be something lost in translation there, though, that they thought the chairperson of the Dáil was, you know, because I think in China, the chairman is a different kind of thing like that.

And are these real threats now that we have to get used to?

So what do you think then on the other side of this?

We have a world, Europe, Ireland as well a bit, maybe tacking towards China as somehow being the more reasonable superpower than America at the moment and more a reliable partner.

people who do business with China will tell you that if you're dealing with any company in China you are effectively dealing with the party and with the government like I remember a guy telling me a story about he was doing some business with them and there was always a guy sitting in the meetings who clearly knew nothing about the business they were doing but he was always there and then they realised at

That's the way the companies are set up over there.

Okay, so we will dismiss that like we dismiss the Hantiversus.

Hopefully that's not going to... Watch that space.

Yeah, exactly.

Brendan, we're down to earth now.

Or not down to earth, as the case may be.

Patrick O'Donoghue is writing in the Sunday Times.

more sobering O'Leary tips on bags and booze.

Don't give them ideas.