Brendan O'Connor

Good argument.

You made a good case.

You get 20 minutes extra for making that argument.

I was doing that always with the kids because I want them to be able to argue.

I don't want them to be fearful of an argument.

Aggression is a different thing now.

I want them to be able to stand their ground and be confident in their position and be able to articulate that.

Was this hiding in plain sight always?

That's such an important boundary for fighting off anxiety and the fear of... We shouldn't be... There's such fear of conflict.

And is that the price you pay, though, for like doing stuff to that level?

Yeah.

We should be able to have conflict with people at times because we do need people to respect our boundaries and some people are very poor at understanding social cues.

So is that what we're all craving, you think?

Because there was a kind of an acceptance of a kind of a slightly intense culture in places like Norma, wasn't there?

Yeah?

True.

you just have to put down a marker now and again do you make an example absolutely you do 100% you absolutely have to put down a marker and sometimes a great marker is saying nothing when someone says something really hurtful to you or someone says something sly you know because that's how a passive aggressive person works let it sit it's so uncomfortable when it sits there

And then they're getting the message and, you know, an inexplicable message here.

This person is comfortable in this uncomfortableness.

And they're actually illuminated what I said because everyone's quiet now.