Brendan O'Connor

So, OK, so look, if you want to have a gang of friends or family or whatever around in the summer.

It can be really callous and all of a sudden you just end the friendship or whatever it is.

You know, you pull your kids away from your grandparents or whatever it is because they said something.

Yeah.

So it's a scary time in America, is it?

And the thing is, you don't want to get stressed out.

Yeah.

It's really important before you ever get to that idea of estrangement.

You actually want to enjoy yourself, too.

I feel the last time we spoke that you were probably a bit more optimistic or more even ambivalent about it.

Yeah.

So what kind of thing would you suggest serving?

And estrangement might be required.

You know what I mean?

I was giving this talk recently and someone said to me, and it was a really common case study, my father-in-law, she said, you know, about my kids, two daughters.

Right.

My father-in-law said something to my daughter who...

who was seven, I think, at the time, that the dress didn't look nice on her.

Yeah.

It would look nice on the younger daughter.