Brendan O'Connor

It's not getting you the magazine because you threw the tantrum next week.

You would have got it next week, but except that behaviour now, it's not getting it next week.

I think you were more hopeful as well about the idea of empathy as being the bridge here and back to, I suppose, those moments of connection where we transcend ourselves.

And maybe if we see it the week after that, you might get the magazine there.

So you're just like, it's not rigid.

It's not automatic.

Exactly.

And that's really important for kids when you're setting boundaries.

You're less hopeful about that now, are you?

They'll break them, allow them to break them, but bring it back into place.

And language matters.

When you say you're never going out again, you're never going on your device, you know, all this, how can you do that to your child?

And then your language is meaningless.

And can you understand MAGA people and Trump supporters?

A really healthy relationship.

And what have you come up with?

But see, a lot of people think that like when you're in a deep, intimate relationship, there are absolutely no boundaries and you know each other completely, not really transparent.

And there's no space in there that's just for you.

Because they feel humiliated?

And that's rubbish.